Oh I'm sorry, I thought Sab and others liked to be challenged. Mindmeld and Steve Perry are right. Here you go Sab - I'm singing KumByYah right now for you bro. Really we should all be saying - wow, that's incredible, you should call "coast to coast AM" and we'll all call in to say how awesome that story is.
just n from bethel
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So me, of all people, had a religious experience
by sabastious ini was sitting in my garage, as i often do, to chill out and i actually ended up becoming angry.. so here i am, in my garage, kicking it on the stool for the drum set that is in there (i am a pianist/composer, not a drummer).
i start to think about all the crazy stuff that transpires on this planet.
we have all seen shows and heard stories or maybe even witnessed events that don't add up.
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So me, of all people, had a religious experience
by sabastious ini was sitting in my garage, as i often do, to chill out and i actually ended up becoming angry.. so here i am, in my garage, kicking it on the stool for the drum set that is in there (i am a pianist/composer, not a drummer).
i start to think about all the crazy stuff that transpires on this planet.
we have all seen shows and heard stories or maybe even witnessed events that don't add up.
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just n from bethel
I know - silly to think an all-powerful guy would just work sentimental mind games that you have to decide are coincidence or not. No real help for all those kids just born in that island he made just so he could cover it in a big 10 day long tidal wave. Silly humans.
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So me, of all people, had a religious experience
by sabastious ini was sitting in my garage, as i often do, to chill out and i actually ended up becoming angry.. so here i am, in my garage, kicking it on the stool for the drum set that is in there (i am a pianist/composer, not a drummer).
i start to think about all the crazy stuff that transpires on this planet.
we have all seen shows and heard stories or maybe even witnessed events that don't add up.
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"but neither of us are qualifed to dictate what is truth and what is not."
Sure we are - is the earth flat or not? Does 2 + 2 = 4 or Does 2 + 2 = 5?
And here's another truth: for every poor confused former JW that needs a magic show to prove that god or something is out there, there are tens of thousands (if not more) of children that need god, you, me, somebody, something, to help get them clean water and proper nutrition.
So, tell me - what good does it do, really for humanity, right now, in this moment of truth, if some supernatural dude can make cards appear in a special order, that could just as well have happened in the normal course of shuffling and dealing?
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So me, of all people, had a religious experience
by sabastious ini was sitting in my garage, as i often do, to chill out and i actually ended up becoming angry.. so here i am, in my garage, kicking it on the stool for the drum set that is in there (i am a pianist/composer, not a drummer).
i start to think about all the crazy stuff that transpires on this planet.
we have all seen shows and heard stories or maybe even witnessed events that don't add up.
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just n from bethel
Not to be overly cynical but you're wrong when you say it's a preference, like some kind of choice. It's either a random coincidence or it's not. End of story. If it's not, then it just shows that this god, is pretty powerless, for a supernatural being. When I do my volunteer stint for the next natural disaster that hits Haiti or some other place that kills thousands and leaves even more homeless orphans, I'll be sure and tell everyone, 'hey, god is real - he did this card trick once that was really meaningful for this guy I know. So hang in there, buddy, 'cause someday he'll do a card trick (or something else that hits your emotional sentimentality button) for you too.'
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So me, of all people, had a religious experience
by sabastious ini was sitting in my garage, as i often do, to chill out and i actually ended up becoming angry.. so here i am, in my garage, kicking it on the stool for the drum set that is in there (i am a pianist/composer, not a drummer).
i start to think about all the crazy stuff that transpires on this planet.
we have all seen shows and heard stories or maybe even witnessed events that don't add up.
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just n from bethel
I didn't say this "god" that did the card trick, should have to do more than just a card trick. I just find it useless, that's all. But hey, Hank's a great guy. He can randomly place money in the road when you need it, set you up to win the lottery, and do all kinds of amazing, powerful, magical things. If that does it for you, then so be it. I'm not even saying that this god dude doesn't exist, just that, if the Big Guy's best way to reveal himself is as Mr. card trick, then who needs him?
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So me, of all people, had a religious experience
by sabastious ini was sitting in my garage, as i often do, to chill out and i actually ended up becoming angry.. so here i am, in my garage, kicking it on the stool for the drum set that is in there (i am a pianist/composer, not a drummer).
i start to think about all the crazy stuff that transpires on this planet.
we have all seen shows and heard stories or maybe even witnessed events that don't add up.
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just n from bethel
Glad you're giddy Sab. Let's say for sake of argument, that this hand you got, is because of some supernatural power trying to communicate with you. Even if that's the case, and the christians here are all over it like monkeys on bananas, then in my mind I say so what.. that's the best this supernatural power could do - a card trick that can pretty much be shown as an infrequent statistcal anomaly - that's how this invisible being decides to show you he exists???
If it were me I'd tell this god, the uncensored version of Cee-Lo's "forget you". I mean, you were playing cards with your brother. You weren't even at a high stakes tournament where you could've at least benefited from the hand with something useful. Or heck, maybe, this god is a card player and he's trying to tell you to board the next plane to vegas and he'll be your invisible rain man.
For me, a god that can't tell me something useful, like where the next earthquake is going to hit, or how to miraculously feed the millions of starving refugee children, or the cure for cancer ... is pretty much useless. I'd be like, 'hey thanks for playing, but next time find your own damn poker game to screw with.' At least Jesus supposedly healed a few lepers when we was here. This guy shows up and shuffles your deck, and your life has changed.
Here's what I'd do:
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About the Adam and Eve time gap....
by Lozhasleft inwhat's got me a bit befuddled is this.... when eve was created she was physically perfect right?
and apparently god blessed them which counted as a marriage.
so....that means that satan's deception of eve must have been almost immediate?....because being perfect she would have conceived virtually straight away, surely?
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just n from bethel
Have you ever read Jared Diamond or taken any anthropology classes? That should help you find more accurate information which will give 100% evidence that the genesis Adam and Eve account cannot be literal.
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About the Adam and Eve time gap....
by Lozhasleft inwhat's got me a bit befuddled is this.... when eve was created she was physically perfect right?
and apparently god blessed them which counted as a marriage.
so....that means that satan's deception of eve must have been almost immediate?....because being perfect she would have conceived virtually straight away, surely?
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Black Sheep - did someone really say that? Now this thread has two of the funniest lines in all of JWN. OMG ROTFLMAO again!
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About the Adam and Eve time gap....
by Lozhasleft inwhat's got me a bit befuddled is this.... when eve was created she was physically perfect right?
and apparently god blessed them which counted as a marriage.
so....that means that satan's deception of eve must have been almost immediate?....because being perfect she would have conceived virtually straight away, surely?
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just n from bethel
If you believe the Adam and Eve story is real - the only way to do it is by rationalizing it to some kind of allegorical legend like Tammy has done. Otherwise you have to ignore the unending amounts of evidence that make it indisputably clear that men and women were around a long time before Adam and Eve of the bible.
But the whole sex thing between Adam and Eve with her not getting pregnant is a helluva story, helluva story.
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Why do you post here?
by MrFreeze inso, why do you post here?.
do you post here because you are currently trapped in the jw's?.
do you post here to help those currently trapped?.
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To flowerpower:
I was baptised as a child, in the great tradition of both my parents who were baptised under the ripe old age of 12. I would take it back if I could. In my country (USA) today, in the English congregations, the majority of baptisms are still being done to those who are 15 and under. No gun to anyone's head. Just, the pressure from JW parents to get their kids baptised, which comes from the GB and trickles down through the congregation. There really is not much of a choice at 9 years old, wouldn't you agree?
But also - even to adults, did you know all the intricacies of the blood policy before you got baptised? Did you know that white blood cells are forbidden, but allowed in breastfeeding? And if you did, did that make sense to you? Does it make sense to you now? If so, then please explain it - because it doesn't make sense to most people JWs and non-JWs alike. It's just that JWs like to pretend it doesn't matter -whatever the GB says, even if they say to kill your children by preventing them blood in medically necesarry procedures, - whatever the GB says - JWs really believe it is God telling them, and not men. Where do you stand on that? What do you do if you understand something differently than the GB? Will you do what you understand God says to do, even if it disagrees with the GB? That's the dillema most here face. What will you do?